Legislature(1997 - 1998)

01/27/1998 08:05 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
27 January, 1998                                                               
8:05 am                                                                        
                                                                               
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SFC 98  # 8, Side A (000-589)                                                  
     Side B (589-000)                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Drue Pearce, Co-Chair, convened the meeting at                         
approximately 8:05 am.                                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
In addition to Co-chairman Pearce, Senators Sharp, Donley,                     
Adams and Phillips were present when the meeting was                           
convened.  Senator Torgerson arrived shortly thereafter.                       
                                                                               
Also Attending:  Representative GARY DAVIES; ANNALEE                           
MCCONNELL, Director, Office of Management of Budget, Office                    
of the Governor; LAURA BAKER and DAN SPENCER, Budget                           
Analysts, Office of Management of Budget, Office of the                        
Governor; MIKE GREANY, Director, Division of Legislative                       
Finance; DAVE TONKOVICH, FRED FISHER, SUSAN TAYLOR, GRETCHEN                   
MANNIX and GINGER PATTON, Fiscal Analysts, Division of                         
Legislative Finance; and aides to committee members and                        
other members of the Legislature.                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 229                                                            
"An Act making appropriations for the operating and                            
loan program expenses of state government, for certain                         
programs, and to capitalize funds; making                                      
appropriations under art. IX, sec. 17(c), Constitution                         
of the State of Alaska, from the constitutional budget                         
reserve fund; and providing for an effective date."                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 230                                                            
"An Act making appropriations for the operating and                            
capital expenses of the state's integrated                                     
comprehensive mental health program; and providing for                         
an effective date."                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
OVERVIEW - FY99 OPERATING BUDGET                                               
PRESENTED BY                                                                   
OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
After calling the meeting to order, Co-Chair Pearce informed                   
the members of two appropriation bills, SB229 and SB230,                       
before them, which they could refer to during the upcoming                     
overview.  She then introduced ANNALEE MCCONNELL, Director                     
of the Office of Management and Budget and invited her to                      
the table to give a presentation on the governor's proposed                    
FY99 operating budget.                                                         
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell started out by saying she planned to focus                       
today on the operating budget, saving the capital budget                       
overview for tomorrow.  She did want to point out however,                     
the governor's overall budget projection and how it fits                       
into a five year plan.  Early in this administration, the                      
governor announced his intentions for spending to "hold the                    
line" and the FY99 budget proposal reflects this.                              
                                                                               
There is one exception: funding for education.  She                            
explained that enrollment increases in grades K-12 had been                    
absorbed in the first two budgets proposed by Governor                         
Knowles.  However for this upcoming budget year, funding                       
will be necessary to accommodate these increases.                              
                                                                               
At this point, Senator Donley interjected with his                             
observation that the last two budgets did not hold the line                    
with the Legislature's plan of a $70 million reduction, and                    
in fact proposed increasing spending by $30 million.  This                     
forced the Legislature to address cutting $100 million from                    
the governor's budget.  Ms. McConnell explained that                           
spending plans drafted for the court system and the                            
Legislature were beyond the control of the executive branch.                   
Increases proposed for the court system budget therefore                       
accounted for the higher bottom line in the overall budget                     
request. At the same time, the governor's office hasn't                        
used, as a credit, reductions made by the legislature in                       
recent years.  There were also some proposals introduced by                    
the Governor were not taken into account by the Legislature,                   
which would have resulted in further reductions.                               
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell attested to the tremendous effort made in the                    
last ten years to absorb costs associated with the rise in                     
Alaska's population and inflation.  Other states have                          
considered their budgets as holding the line if they                           
increase in proportion to population rises. This state has                     
taken a tougher stance on that.  She reported that the per                     
person dollar amount spend by the State of Alaska in this                      
proposed budget is $1470 less than what was spend in 1979.                     
                                                                               
At the same time, additional services are being provided and                   
agencies are being run more efficiently.  One example of                       
this is the Longevity Program.  She said she gives a great                     
deal of credit to both the Governor's Office and the                           
Legislature for these accomplishments.                                         
                                                                               
Population increases are an important factor in Alaska.                        
Children and senior citizens account for the largest areas                     
of growth.  These groups are also the most expensive to                        
serve.  For children, there is the cost of education.                          
Alaska spends more per child for education than any other                      
state.  Senior citizens incur more Medicare costs.  Other                      
programs provided to seniors include the Longevity Bonus                       
Program and the Pioneers Homes.                                                
                                                                               
One of the positives in absorbing population growth costs                      
has been better efficiency.  By focusing on results, state                     
agencies are working towards this goal.  Ms. McConnell cited                   
improvements to the Division of Motor Vehicles where                           
Services are being provided to the public electronically.                      
Drivers are now able to renew licenses via the Internet and                    
US mail, saving time and resources for both citizens and the                   
state.                                                                         
                                                                               
An area the administration took on as a challenge when they                    
came into office was to control costs in two of the fastest                    
growing areas of the budget, WELFARE and MEDICAID.  Ms.                        
McConnell attested that through their efforts and those of                     
the Legislature, we are starting to see some reduction in                      
the growth rate in the total number of cases.  In doing                        
this, the two government branches need to look at the                          
investments they need to make, some of which are financial                     
and some being time and energy (i.e. legislation and                           
management changes.)                                                           
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell stated that two of her prime budget targets                      
are funding for the Department of Corrections and youth                        
detention and treatment facilities.  She shared a comment                      
the Governor is fond of saying: "He would like to cut the                      
Dept. of Corrections budget - but cut it because we have                       
fewer prisoners."  The only way to get control of this part                    
of the budget is to start way back and think about ways to                     
change prisoner's lives so they don't return to prison years                   
later.                                                                         
                                                                               
She quoted studies that found the average education of                         
inmates is no further than the seventh grade.  She argued                      
that because of this lack of schooling, these people are                       
unable to hold a job and have poor life skills.  She                           
referred to efforts made in other states to combat this,                       
which have paid off.  These have been improvements to the                      
quality of education early on, improved job training and                       
better family environments.  She pointed out statistics that                   
show people who have been abused as children have a high                       
propensity to become abusers themselves.  An alarming number                   
of detained youths and adults had been abused.  Therefore                      
focusing in and making investments in areas like child abuse                   
prevention and education can really pay off.  However, we                      
won't see these results in the FY99 budget.  According to                      
Ms. McConnell, it's going to take a number of years.                           
                                                                               
These are reasons why the Knowles Administration has focused                   
so much attention on the Smart Start Initiative.  Clear                        
goals have been set and results are being analyzed.  For                       
example, a zero tolerance level has been set for child                         
abuse.  No reports of harm are allowed to go uninvestigated.                   
This is an interdepartmental effort and also involves local                    
communities, non-profit groups, parents, schools, etc.                         
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell theorized that if we had made these kinds of                     
investments ten years ago, we would be looking at a very                       
different prison and youth detention budget now.  She urged,                   
however that the focus be not on the past, but in the                          
future.  We should be looking at what we can expect ten                        
years from now if we chose to make these kinds of changes                      
today.  They won't give us immediate satisfaction with the                     
budget or constituents, but we will know that we're on the                     
right track to making those changes down the road.  The                        
public would appreciate it if a plan were laid out.  Even if                   
we don't get there in one fiscal year, it would be                             
beneficial if we could lie out a target for the next three                     
to five years.  She suggested looking beyond one budget year                   
and referred to House Speaker Phillips' bill to move into a                    
two-year budget cycle.                                                         
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell talked about other investments proposed in                       
this budget, both the operating and capital side, to help                      
keep our ECONOMY healthy and maintain job stimulation.  She                    
gave examples of WELFARE REFORM and "ALASKANIZING" THE                         
WORKFORCE.  They don't all require new money, the Alaska                       
seafood industry being one area.  Department commissioners                     
are being directed to find new ways to employ Alaskans                         
without requiring more funds.                                                  
                                                                               
Some of the investments the Administration has made are not                    
increases.  For instance, this budget proposes holding the                     
line on MUNICIPAL ASSISTANCE and REVENUE SHARING.  While it                    
doesn't propose a decrease in funding, many communities feel                   
resentful at having the burdens shifted to them and by not                     
taking away any more funding, this prevents more criticism.                    
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell shared that a number of circumstances have                       
changed in the last several years since the Long-Range                         
Financial Planning Commission did its projections.  This                       
commission was a bi-partisan task force set up by the                          
Senate, House of Representatives and Governor's Office to                      
look at the status of Alaska's financial affairs.  In 1995                     
they projected that the Capital Budget Reserve would be                        
depleted by early FY99 or FY00.  At that time it looked like                   
there would be significant withdrawals every year, ranging                     
from $600 - $900 million each year.  In fact we now have a                     
balance of $3.3 billion.  This is the result of three                          
factors: one is unanticipated large court settlements,                         
second is the strong stock market resulting in higher                          
investment earnings and third we haven't drawn as much from                    
the fund as originally projected.                                              
                                                                               
In 1995 we thought it would be necessary to draw $513                          
million from the CBR but because our financial situation was                   
better than anticipated due to high revenues, we only needed                   
to draw $22 million.  In 1996 we thought we would need $379                    
million and we actually only needed $285 million.  The most                    
dramatic year was the last fiscal year, FY97.  The                             
Legislature and Administration agreed the expected amount                      
needed would be just over $400 million.  However, at the end                   
of FY97 we had a $70 million surplus.  Oil revenues were                       
much higher than anticipated and as a result we ended up                       
$480 million better than expected.                                             
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell gave credit to the Administration and the                        
Legislature that neither proposed to spend that money.  It                     
was recognized that although 1997 was a good year, there                       
certainly would be times when we wouldn't have such a good                     
year.  Now that extra money is earning interest.                               
                                                                               
Over the past four years a total of $1.6 billion had been                      
anticipated as needing to be drawn from the CBR to balance                     
the budget.  In reality, we needed less than $450 million.                     
                                                                               
According to Ms. McConnell, oil production forecasts are                       
looking better.  We are not seeing the decline for 1999-2001                   
that had previously been projected.  State Of Alaska                           
revenues are more diversified.  In the past, oil made up                       
over 80 percent of the budget.  The permanent fund is bigger                   
than anticipated and we have had significant deposits from                     
the earnings reserve account.  In her opinion, the                             
Constitutional Budget Reserve is working exactly as intended                   
by the Legislature when it was created and proposed to the                     
voters.  It has worked well to prevent annual spending of                      
any balloon earnings and at the same time, allow a cushion                     
for years where earnings are not as good as expected.                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Pearce inquired as to the exact percentages of oil                    
related revenue in our budget.  She was informed that 78% of                   
general funds and 32% of all funds totaled are from oil                        
related sources.                                                               
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson wanted to know if, with regard to the oil                    
tax dispute monies, we are on target for $270 million                          
deposits into the CBR.  Ms. McConnell answered that she                        
thought so but added the caveat that we never know the                         
timing of receipt of the funds.  Adjustments will need to be                   
made throughout the year to account for various disputes as                    
they work their way through the court system.  This budget                     
packet only shows $10.4 million because this is what was                       
actually received to date.  She didn't want to create the                      
expectation that we would actually get all the funds by June                   
30.  She stressed the timing issues for these settlements                      
are the toughest to predict.  Her solution is to spread the                    
amounts out over several years and recognize that over a                       
five-year period you would see the same total.                                 
                                                                               
Senator Donley spoke of efforts for improvement of Alaska                      
hire in the seafood industry.  He referred to a budget and                     
audit report the committee received indicating the                             
Administration hasn't invoked the same Alaskan hire                            
requirements in the oil industry resulting decrease in                         
Alaskans hired to work in the oil fields.  His question was                    
if the increases in the seafood industry would offset the                      
loss of jobs in the oil industry.  Ms. McConnell said she                      
would get an answer back to him.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Sharp visited the issue of holding the line on                         
capital matching grants and not shifting the burden for                        
municipalities.  He advised that the legislature last year                     
approved $20 million, and this year's governor's proposal is                   
only $15 million.  He actually sees a 25% reduction from                       
last year.  Ms. McConnell agreed that the capital budget                       
maintains the same level of general funds as requested last                    
year and that the Legislature granted the $15 million plus                     
added another $5 million of AHFC funds.  Communities will                      
receive $20 million more for school districts for quality                      
education.  This is in addition to funding for enrollment                      
increases.                                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Pearce asked if there is going to be another PERS                     
dividend that will also benefit communities?  Ms. McConnell                    
advised that there is a PERS reduction that varies by                          
communities.  Some will see an increase and some will have a                   
decrease.  Most of the school districts will go back to what                   
they were a year ago.  They saw a dip last year, but it                        
should go back up.  Ms. McConnell directed the committees'                     
attention to the portion of the handout that shows the COLA                    
and PERS rate adjustments.  Reductions are to be made to                       
police and executive branch employees. The University will                     
have an increase.                                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams followed up with an inquiry of the effect of                     
reductions to municipalities and school districts on                           
revenues to the State.  It results in a net reduction of the                   
total, answered Ms. McConnell.  She referred again to the                      
handouts, showing the different areas with different                           
reductions.                                                                    
                                                                               
At this point, Ms. McConnell moved onto the next portion of                    
her presentation: PROJECTION WITH GOVERNOR KNOWLES FY00                        
INITIATIVES AND JANUARY OIL PRICE FORECAST FOR FY99.  She                      
turned to a spreadsheet showing forecasts if the Governor's                    
proposed investments were approved by the Legislature.  She                    
said the spreadsheet was created because she wanted to know,                   
and be able to show the Legislature and the public, if these                   
investments are responsible by the year 2002.                                  
                                                                               
In explaining this spreadsheet and what its results show,                      
Ms. McConnell gave the following details.  By taking the                       
fall forecast (what the budget development process is based                    
on for the out years, 2000-2002) and integrating the                           
possibility of oil prices remaining stagnant at around                         
$15/barrel, her office came up with a blended annual average                   
of $16.48/barrel.  The CBR earnings figure has been updated                    
from $269 million and is now up to $285 million because the                    
market was better than what was used for earlier                               
projections.  This year's budget has $70 million carried                       
from the surplus from last year, which was unexpected.                         
There was also $5 million from the Investment Loss Trust                       
Fund that was used to partially fund COLA increases last                       
year.  Also there are the FY98 and FY99 budgets as proposed                    
by the Governor with supplementals included.  If the                           
preceding information is gathered and we held those budgets                    
and didn't provide for increases or decreases for agency                       
operations, the spreadsheet shows us the following:                            
                                                                               
For education, Ms. McConnell incorporated all of the effects                   
of the Governor's proposed quality education legislation in                    
addition to the enrollment increase, an estimated 1.5-%.                       
The proposed budget plan, therefore shows a one percent                        
increase every year which is to help maintain some ability                     
for school districts to keep pace with inflation.  This also                   
includes the $20 million and $4 million in adjustments to                      
the foundation formula as proposed by the Governor.                            
                                                                               
Other formula programs show a one-half percent growth in                       
total, but some of our programs are actually going down.                       
The Longevity Bonus program with its phase-out program, and                    
a reduction in the caseload for temporary assistance for                       
needy families are some examples.  While there will still be                   
need for growth in some areas, like Medicaid, she projected                    
an overall growth at one-half percent.                                         
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell noted that the POWER COST EQUALIZATION number                    
shown on the spreadsheet is simply the general fund number.                    
There is a Governor's task force underway to make some                         
recommendations about the future of PCE because we will not                    
have enough in the fund a year from now to make payments to                    
help equalize power rates across the State.                                    
                                                                               
The GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT will be totally paid off by the                    
year 2000.  Only $3 million is required to make this year's                    
payment.  She pointed out the LEASE FINANCING program that                     
has allowed for things like the Palmer Fire Facility and the                   
Anchorage Health Lab.  This is still at a very modest $16                      
million debt service level for existing lease/purchase                         
facilities.  There are more proposals on the table that are                    
not included here.  Senator Adams asked if the Bank of                         
America building lease/purchase is included in these                           
figures.  Ms. McConnell answered yes; that everything                          
approved by the Legislature to date is included.                               
                                                                               
The SCHOOL DEBT REIMBURSEMENT program will have a declining                    
obligation for schools already qualified.  We will see some                    
increase in the year 2000 and then back down in 2001 and                       
2002.  She cautioned that these numbers do change as                           
information is received from the schools.  The timing on                       
bond sales is under local control rather than state control.                   
In the spring, when the Legislature is getting ready to pass                   
the budget, you will be provided with the most recent                          
updates received from the school districts.  The currently                     
projection is $44.8 million.  This also takes into account                     
revenues the Legislature deposited from ILTS into the debt                     
fund and tobacco taxes collected in FY98 that will be going                    
towards new school construction.  This will reduce the                         
amount needed from the general fund to fully meet                              
obligations.                                                                   
                                                                               
For the capital budget, OMB has proposed $92.3 million in                      
general fund.  Ms McConnell acknowledged that there are                        
concerns about continuing to fund at that level and that it                    
has been difficult to meet needs statewide.  The loans                         
budget will be at about $17 million.  She told the committee                   
that she would address these issues in more detail during                      
tomorrow's meeting.                                                            
                                                                               
According to her figures, the CBR will still be right around                   
$3 billion in the year 2002.  None of these projections will                   
affect the Permanent Fund.  She anticipates having over $29                    
billion in the fund by the year 2002.  The Governor opposes                    
any changes to the Permanent Fund without a vote of the                        
people and these proposals reflect that.                                       
                                                                               
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Ms. McConnell said that by looking at all the factors, the                     
Knowles Administration feels this budget packet is very                        
responsible and in fact less expensive if we make these                        
investments now.  This is not just financially, with cost                      
decreases for Department of Corrections and programs for                       
troubled kids, but also because it is the right thing to do.                   
                                                                               
She counseled the committee to work out a system of using                      
the November forecasts for the development and early                           
discussions of the budget and the spring forecast for the                      
final action.                                                                  
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell said there are still many options for the                        
future.  Absorbing inflation can no longer be handled at the                   
current rate.  She spoke of deferred maintenance needs which                   
simply builds up.                                                              
                                                                               
Several things the Administration and the Legislature can                      
agree on include showing the budget plans in a similar                         
layout.  This has helped the public to compare the two.  We                    
can work to agree on a way to handle the oil-forecasting                       
period, how to show the CBR interest earnings, and listing                     
the amounts of cuts taken.  Another would be how to treat                      
the F-map changes.  For example, what would happen if                          
congress agreed to pick up more Medicaid expenses bringing                     
Alaska more in line with the other states?  This                               
Administration proposes to use that money for Smart Start.                     
She said it would also be helpful to understand how the                        
Legislature's deferred maintenance finance plan fits in with                   
the Majority plan.                                                             
                                                                               
Part three of the OMB's presentation concerned PERFORMANCE                     
MEASURES.  Ms. McConnell gave a short history of the program                   
started four years ago where each department gave the                          
Legislature four to five key performance measures.  The                        
intent wasn't to give details on every single aspect of                        
state government, but to focus in on a handful of the most                     
important areas in each department.  The goal was to obtain                    
a way to track the work done and see if progress is being                      
made in these key areas.  Last year's packet included a                        
status report on progress made and target achievements.                        
This year, we have included an updated report.                                 
                                                                               
Something new in this year's budget packet is the approach                     
to PERFORMANCE BUDGETING.  She referred to presentations                       
made by Mark Freeman and Craig Holt that focus on base line                    
indicators for major priority areas like jobs and economic                     
development, children and education.  The intent is to                         
determine key indicators that would tell all of us (i.e.,                      
Administration, Legislature, public) if we are focusing on                     
the right approach and if we are making progress.  She gave                    
examples in the area of education.                                             
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell also spoke about the AUTOMATED BUDGET SYSTEM.                    
This is fully functional on the capital side and underway as                   
a pilot program on the operating side.  This was designed to                   
incorporate a real analysis of the trends, performance                         
measures, anticipated results and how the budget can reflect                   
these priorities.                                                              
                                                                               
She championed the idea of Results Based Budgeting, saying                     
it would make many improvements to the state system.  She                      
stressed the need for the executive branch and legislative                     
branch to work together even though there are some places                      
where they will disagree.  However, some of the goals are                      
very similar for both branches.  To start the process, we                      
should work to establish a vocabulary, agree to an approach                    
and determine the key areas to try first.                                      
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell said the Administration would like to have                       
sessions with the Legislature to set these guidelines and to                   
focus on a couple key areas to test the ideas.  She realized                   
that many issues cross department lines but assured the                        
committee that workgroups have already been set up                             
consisting of representation from all affected groups.                         
These groups are willing to give presentations to the                          
committee if requested.  She expressed a desire to allow                       
departments to work directly with the committee.                               
                                                                               
Co-Chair Pearce informed Ms. McConnell of a group consisting                   
of staff from both co-chair's offices and Senator Parnell's                    
office that have been working on a mock set-up using                           
Department of Natural Resources.  Once they have completed                     
this work, they will bring their findings, both good and                       
bad, back to the co-chairs to determine which direction                        
should be taken.  The committee plans to work with OMB to                      
build on this concept.  She listed other areas where                           
legislators are breaking down issues and setting missions                      
and goals.                                                                     
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell said OMB is doing mock-ups for commerce and                      
revenue and would be interested in feedback from the                           
committee.  It would be helpful to know the committee's                        
comments regarding her department's presentations.  She is                     
hoping that by testing this out in two areas and looking at                    
other states, we can have better results than just by using                    
a cookie cutter approach.                                                      
                                                                               
At this point of the meeting, Co-Chair Pearce opened the                       
floor to questions.  Conversations ensued regarding                            
specifics in education, public safety, federal funding, the                    
Smart Start program and the status of Welfare to Work.                         
                                                                               
After a fifteen-minute break from 9:45 to 10:00, Ms.                           
McConnell continued.                                                           
                                                                               
She made comments as to the layout of the proposed budget                      
packet.  The cost of living increase is shown in the front                     
part of the packet rather than broken down by each                             
department.  The total cost of $9.2 million dollars is                         
broken down by funding sources later in the packet.  She                       
gave details as to those breakdowns.                                           
                                                                               
Debt service is this year is $64.1 million down from $72.3                     
last year.  A couple factors that influence this include the                   
$5 million investment loss trust fund that was in the fund                     
that reduces the amount of new general funds needed to                         
appropriate in 1999.  Another is on the school debt                            
reimbursement side.                                                            
                                                                               
Funding for SCHOOL PROJECTS will come from the Tobacco Tax.                    
Revenues from this tax have been revised down from earlier                     
estimates because of the inability to accurately project                       
future receipts.  This is due to a certain amount of                           
stockpiling of tobacco products by consumers before the tax                    
took effect.  OMB anticipates this event resulted in fewer                     
taxes being paid during the first quarter of the program,                      
but that the income generated will level out once stockpiles                   
are depleted which will enable them to better project future                   
revenues.                                                                      
                                                                               
Answering a question by Senator Adams, Ms. McConnell                           
estimated the revenue from this tax would be $16 million                       
this year for the school fund.  The committee requested it                     
be provided with the actual figures collected in this first                    
quarter and upcoming quarters, as they become available.                       
                                                                               
She highlighted a technical glitch that may actually become                    
helpful in the future.  The automated system allows for                        
tracking all numbers.  These numbers were inadvertently                        
included in this handout.  She noted the advantage to having                   
these numbers printed in the back of the budget packet for                     
easy referral and suggested they could keep them in future                     
budget publications.                                                           
                                                                               
She pointed out another change, the documentation of                           
supplemental appropriations.  This year the supplemental                       
requests are shifted into the main portion of the budget.                      
This doesn't change the total dollar amount.                                   
                                                                               
This budget packet continues the AHFC dividend at the $50                      
million rate according to the agreement worked out between                     
the AHFC and the Department of Revenue.  This is to keep it                    
off the credit watch and prevent any negative signals                          
changes might send to the bond market.                                         
                                                                               
In summary, Ms. McConnell stressed the importance of looking                   
at the budget in the context of several years.  She feels                      
this budget packet is responsible and maintains a very                         
healthy CBR.  It takes into account the possibility of oil                     
prices dropping further than anticipated.  The executive                       
branch is continuing to look for efficiencies and                              
improvements in service that will help deal with population                    
increases and inflation.  She reiterated her desire for                        
continued joint efforts of OMB and the Legislature to find                     
better ways to manage state government.                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Pearce asked if there were any large lawsuits                         
pending that may affect the amount of funds available.  Ms.                    
McConnell didn't know for certain, but is expecting an                         
update from the Department of Law that she would pass along.                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Pearce adjourned the meeting at approximately                         
10:20am.                                                                       
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